Avia S 199 "knife"

Hi all

Gotta love those hasty lash ups

Been building this from Fates plan at 1/24 scale.

Fw190 wrote:Gotta love those hasty lash ups

Is this Wingnutspeak? Sounds kinda poetic, in a creepy but strangely pleasant way.

Been building this from Fates plan at 1/24 scale.

We've talked about this elsewhere, why not repeat ourselves--y'got any pictures yet?
For those just tuning in, Fate & I are modeling buddies seperated by two time zones. We dream up these things to talk about on the phone, get into hour-long conversations about cannon vs. machine gun, or what can you really say about chocolate covered manhole covers, or why do all the pre-war fighters look alike or what have you, and now and then a drawing comes out of these discussions.
Some of our favorites are the Bf109 and its many variants and derivatives. This one Rocky originally sketched up for Nate Sturman, who was unaware of a 'Schmitt with a Star of David on the side--and it was a tough one at that: at the end of WWII, there was a whole factory in Czechoslovakia full of 109G airframes but no engines, and a warehouse of Jumo 213 mills just down the road--so they put the two together to make a perfect pig of a fighter, but it kept the nascent Israeli Air Force in the game for just long enough.
We're currently batting a Gustav plan around, and maybe we'll have it finished and a-building soon. If I got industrious, it wouldn't be much to do a scrap view of the S.199 swap-in. Let's keep the conversation going.
Michael J. Heinrich

Hi Michael

Camera's down will post pics when up.

Been mucking about with upload thing and seems to work ok.

Yes let continue...

Denie

Michael, when you say you're "batting around" a Gustav plan how much has made it onto paper so far? I'm definitely interested as I have actually considered plunking down the $20 bucks or so for the Schanzle plan from way back when. I do prefer the latter Schmitts over the earlier ones. And these 199's definitely have their own flavor about them for sure.

Denie, is this a continuation of a construction build from another certain website? Please do continue.
-Josh

Hi Josh
Yes indeed this is the same build we've been talking about on That Other Site, and will continue soon--I have faith and a lot more invested in that. Anyway, as we said over there, Rocky's pencil drawing for the G-6 thru G-10 is complete and entire, and a well-thought-out airframe that looks good and flies good too. PM me if you want a copy.
Fate & I are working on several variants in a bunch, chatting back and forth and coming up with things to do until we really don't know who contribues what. All I'm doing is overfussifying a perfectly workable plan, in the style we've slipped into. I can't quote any real schedule for anything; I put the G wing & a set of ribs in the can about a month ago and now I want to change some stuff to make it more scale.
Michael

Hi Josh

The 199 is a nice/ugly thing with all the traits of the 109 and nore once re-engined with the bomber engine. you know, I have often wondered why di',t they employ the use of a four bladed prop to absorb the power of the engine? Michael?

"Fate & I are working on several variants in a bunch" Ooooh do tell.

I have been messing around with the Hispano 112J Spanish build of the 109 and interesting to note that the very first 109, was engined with the Rolls Royce Kestrel and the final variant Hispano 112J utilised the Rolls Royce Merlin. The 112 also used the Hispano engine that to my mind at least, was nasty.
The Merlin powerd 112 looks very, very attractive. "As she who shall remain nameless, is looking over my shoulder, Yes dear not as attractive as you"

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Fw190 wrote:The 199 is a nice/ugly thing with all the traits of the 109 and nore once re-engined with the bomber engine. you know, I have often wondered why didn't they employ the use of a four bladed prop to absorb the power of the engine? Michael?

There weren't but a double handful of Daimler-Benz 605 engines around at the end of things, and after installing those in G airframes (the Avia S.99) they went down the street and knocked the locks off a warehouse full of Jumo 211 mills, the kind used in the Heinkel 111; The two engines are roughly equal in output, so I don't think that's the reason for the three-shovel blade; I think it's just what they found at hand! Same goes for a four-blade prop, they didn't have all that power to justify the use.
The bigger problem was, the Jumo engine was heavy. Caused all kinds of performance problems.

"Fate & I are working on several variants in a bunch" Ooooh do tell.

Well--like I say, give us a little time. I've just changed jobs recently, and I'm still in a pretty deep adjustment period--like, two hours' wake time before the next day, don't make for a great drafting schedule. But I'm trying.
For those just tuning in: Rocky and I are modeling buddies with some 2000 miles between us; we talk regularly on the phone, brainstorm about airplanes, go into fits of giggles over this & that and now and again hammer out a cool model plan. We talk a lot as it goes--sometimes, like with the 109 series, he's worked up an airframe decades ago that I'll work over in my computer, or maybe it'll be something like the Kochyerigin TSh-3 "Pre-Stormovik" where I just discovered and drew all of an afternoon--but as we talk, I'll do this and he'll think of that and we'll both trash this other thing and by the end, neither of us can say who contributed what. So we just put both our names on the darn thing and go on.
So, currently we're cooking late 109s, having done an E3 & E4, and the v14 "Udet's Racer" that showed up at the '37 Zurich meet, and was never, never blue. --And now it's a G6 thru G10 workup, and I'm also canning components for the Trager carrier-based aircraft and the K too. But don't rush us. Y'want something specific, like Cap'n TightPants did a while back, I'll try to give you what I got right now to help.

been messing around with the Hispano 112J Spanish build of the 109 and interesting to note that the very first 109, was engined with the Rolls Royce Kestrel and the final variant Hispano 112J utilised the Rolls Royce Merlin. The 112 also used the Hispano engine that to my mind at least, was nasty. The Merlin powerd 112 looks very, very attractive.

I think they're hella ugly myself. I was mightily offended when these things showed up in the Battle of Britain movie (but not as much as when they filmed three Spits taking off from four camera points, then mirror-reversed those to get eight flights of three...what, they think we're stoopid?
Michael